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View Poll Results: Would you like to have lived in the DDR/Did you like living in the DDR?
No, I would absolutely never have lived there/I hated it when I lived there... 125 39.56%
I would like to have lived there, but only for a short time to get to know the place 134 42.41%
I would love to have lived/I did like living there 46 14.56%
I don't care one way or the other 16 5.06%
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Old 05-07-2006, 02:25 PM   #61
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Thanks for the Info
So it was the NVA breaking through the Schallmauer with their MIGs every day?
mostly yes, but also Soviet Army
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Old 05-07-2006, 04:01 PM   #62
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Fair enough,I did not know that those Fruits where available in every "Kaufhalle" or Shop in uncounted amounts. I remember,if the HO had "Tropical-Fruits" for Sale,the rumour went around quicker than a Fire.
but I remember those "fresh" Cuba Oranges and Pineapples quite well, it was rough Stuff without Juice and kind of felt like you would chew on a piece of wood. Igitt..Igitt
Off Course,back in DDR Times,one was quite happy and pleased with those Fruits..if you could get them....it was better than nothing and a nice change.

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You see, that is exactly what I meant! I'm talking about the seventies (up to 76/77). After that it became less and less .
And, by the way, you cpuld make very good orange juice from these green-ish ones. My mum may still have the recipe.
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Old 05-07-2006, 04:06 PM   #63
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[quote=Thälmannpionier]Here is a link where you can find some of the really TASTY Food from the DDR.

90% of it is still available today as a kind of re-make..and it's still tasty and the best Thing is..it reminds you on the good ol' days
http://www.mdr.de/doku/896435-hintergrund-1673717.html[/quote


Guess what is in my car when I return to the UK after my annual 10 day visit to Rostock? Quite a few friends visiting me are pleasently surprised....But there are much better online-shops.
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Old 05-07-2006, 04:21 PM   #64
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As I have already mentioned,you have to take into account where you have lived in the DDR!! Rostock was a BIG City compared to my Hometown with a population of 30.000 people. Things were much different in Citys like Rostock or Berlin. Those Citys had much more tourist,lots of West Tourists and also lots of VIP's from the farer East. No doubt,that these City had a different supply with Food and other Stuff..due to the Circumstances like the Tourists and VIP's.
I think that the "preferred supply" argument is much overrated. It is certainly correct for Berlin as Berlin was declared the Window to the West but not for other cities and towns.

That's why I also said that I travelled a lot in the GDR. I had/have familiy in Halle, Bitterfeld/Wolfen and Suhl and from there I went to other places. Especially in bakeries it was very much down to the owners what they baked, as long as they provided a certain minimum that was required. And in the starnge way of planning it was such that, if you could prove you can sell everything you produced, you got more raw material.

When I was at my grandma, I spent hours in the bakery where she worked. It was hard work but also rewarding financially..

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BTW I also remember the sonic booms, mainly from the Soviet Airforce based at Puetnitz.
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Here is a link where you can find some of the really TASTY Food from the DDR.

90% of it is still available today as a kind of re-make..and it's still tasty and the best Thing is..it reminds you on the good ol' days
http://www.mdr.de/doku/896435-hintergrund-1673717.html[/quote


Guess what is in my car when I return to the UK after my annual 10 day visit to Rostock? Quite a few friends visiting me are pleasently surprised....But there are much better online-shops.
Bautzn'er Senf?
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Old 05-07-2006, 08:21 PM   #66
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Bautzn'er Senf?
Yes,I love that Mustard..and it's always present in my fridge..even now.
Bockwurst with Bautzener Senf..yummy..yummy
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Old 05-08-2006, 02:14 PM   #67
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Bautzn'er Senf?
yes, among many other things. Scombermix, Schwaaner Fischsoljanka, Spreewaelder Gurken, Knusperflocken, Zetti-Schokolade, Pulsnitzer Lebkuchen, Thueringer Wurst, Nudossi, Rotkaeppchen etc
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Old 05-08-2006, 03:10 PM   #68
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yes, among many other things. Scombermix, Schwaaner Fischsoljanka, Spreewaelder Gurken, Knusperflocken, Zetti-Schokolade, Pulsnitzer Lebkuchen, Thueringer Wurst, Nudossi, Rotkaeppchen etc
FISCHSOLJANKA!!!! How long I haven´t read that word!!! And as I eat it the last time...ther´re gone so many years...
At this side of river Elbe nobody knows the best eastgerman soup: SOLJANKA!
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Seems like it was nice and relaxed, like a small town atmosphere. I lived in a small town in University; oh yeah, with the neighbors saying things that could get you in trouble with the authorities, well the same thing happens in small town USA! The stress would have been less growing up in the DDR, with apprenticeships, work and all. Although, as they say, there are give and takes in any system, you just have to find one you like, I suppose. Just a reminder though in a thread I read about freedom of travel; as US Citizens, we are not legally permitted to travel to Cuba, without a possibilty of SEVERE penalties and or imprisonment. So, as I said, no one system is absolutely perfect and I am glad the people who grew up in the DDR have fond memories of home, as everyone should.
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Seems like it was nice and relaxed, like a small town atmosphere.
well, it was for me...but I guess, that was mostly because I did grow up in a small town in east germany... and I suspect it will have been like that for the vast majority of people in the ddr, but of course there were also exceptions...Cheers, Torsten.
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looks like there are more voters coming out the woodwork on this one...why not put your thoughts about this question into the thread as well>> Cheers, Torsten.
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So, as I said, no one system is absolutely perfect and I am glad the people who grew up in the DDR have fond memories of home, as everyone should.
Tom,

I wish many more people would see it like you do. I know some, but in comparison, they are few.
I know a lot of people who insist that I can't have fond memories of life in the GDR simply because I grew up in the GDR.

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Old 07-07-2006, 01:34 PM   #73
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Tom,

I wish many more people would see it like you do. I know some, but in comparison, they are few.
I know a lot of people who insist that I can't have fond memories of life in the GDR simply because I grew up in the GDR.

Cheers,
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Dag - That's because many folks can't mentally seperate the policies of the GDR government from the expereinces of individuals who lived in that state. The citizens of most nations have a sense of pride, patriotism and loyalty to the state that they grew up in...but that does not mean that they agreed with all of the policies and actions of that state. I grew up during the Vietnam/Watergate era and had a very good childhood. But i can't say that I supported all of the policies of our govenment at that time...of course I was too young to really have an opinion then.

From a US point of view the GDR was considered a repressive state because it limited the individual liberties of the majority of it's citizens. To borrow from President Roosevelt's famous WWII four freedoms speech there were limitations on three of the four basic freedoms -

* Freedom of speech and expression (including free travel - could you imagine someone burning the GDR flag in front of the Palace of the Republic or condeming the policies of the state on TV, Radio or Newspaper)

* Freedom of every person to worship God in his own way (Religion is the opiate of the masses - Marx, Religion is a kind of spiritual gin in which the slaves of capital drown their human shape and their claims to any decent life. -Lenin, Religion threatened Marxist Theory because, as seen in 1990, it is one of the few things that can stimulate revolt in a socialist state)

* Freedom from fear (you never knew when a Stasi agent or IM - informant was in your presence)

The only freedom that was guaranteed was Freedom from want -

Now it can be argued that some of these basic freedoms were guaranteed in the GDR's constitution, but they were not necessarily exercised in practice.

My personal experience with people in the GDR, mostly in Berlin, was very positive. I found them warm, friendly and helpful...with the exception of shop clerks. Even the VOPO I encountered when I parked in the wrong place on Under der Linden were very helpful. Of course I was at the time a representivative of the imperialist capitalist military of the US. lol

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Old 07-07-2006, 04:37 PM   #74
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Kevin,

I'm aware of this. But I find it still interesting (and frustrating, sometimes) when people seriously suggest that I effectively forget 25 years of my life.
And the most worrying thing is, that they are absolutely serious.

by the way, I have to tick you off;-). Roosevelt did not speak about the GDR. Or are you not talking about Truman's predecessor?

However, every single point would be worth a separate thread here and it would probably be very difficult to convince "the other" side that it was not as simple as often explained/told by many "suppressed" people.




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Dag - I understand that these issues are not clearly black and white, but shades of gray. For every negative listed above there are several positive attributes about living in the GDR. It could of course be argued that there was freedom from fear because crime and poverty was much lower than in the West. That there was some freedom of travel because GDR residents could take vacations in neighboring socialist countries (Hungary was quite nice, I lived there for 6 months in the late 90s). That the arts, theater, reading and sports all flurished in this society. That women were better represented in the workforce that the West. That people were less wasteful and materialistic than in the West where consumerism encouraged waste.

No President Franklin Roosevelt was not referring to the GDR, which of course didn't exist during WWII. I mentioned these four freedoms because this 1941 State of the Union speech is quite famous and helped form the foundation for the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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