LSK/LV MiGs - Page 4 - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

Kozlov · 12-23-2009, 03:28 AM

Thats a great shot, but I really can't work out how you managed that with ISO 64!

By my reckoning you would have needed something like 1/250th to keep the action frozen, which would have meant using a very wide aperture, something like f2, maybe even f1.8.

Still surprisingly grainy for ISO 64, even at this size.

Sorry, photography is my other passion

RamJet · 12-23-2009, 05:02 AM

The original slide isn't that grainy, the large-scale scan either. Will check in the evening if I made a mistake while working on it with photoshop.

RamJet · 12-23-2009, 05:21 AM

Oh, and shutter speed was between 1/125 and 1/250, aperture f1.2 or f1.4, can't remember exactly. The relative speed between two aircraft flying in formation is around zero, so longer shutter speeds are possible. If it drops below - just do as much shots as possible and hope for the lucky (sharp) hit.

Nevertheless, the making of the pic was very close to the borderline of the possibilities of the KR64.

RamJet · 12-23-2009, 07:49 AM

Better:

The enhancing of the darker parts with Photoshop resulted in more visible grain. And it also is a little bit cut-out from the original slide, so of course it is more grainy than the overall pic where the jet is smaller.

RamJet · 12-23-2009, 06:32 PM

And a MiG-29 in near vertical clim. Actually, it's the first quarter of a formation loop:

@ Kozlov:

Kodachrome KM25, also a little bit cut out. I think the grainy effect in the colour gradient comes from the scanner.

**Mike G.** · 12-24-2009, 09:51 AM

These are really great photos,

Two aspects that will of course help with the slower ISO Film being used, is the altitude which affords far greater light and visibility, and the fact the pics are being shot from another aircraft flying at similar speed.

Very, very impressive photos.

Thanks,

**Gordon Craig** · 12-24-2009, 10:13 AM

Steve,

Great pictures, as usual.

Regards,

Gordon

RamJet · 12-24-2009, 05:55 PM

Michael and Gordon, thank You very much. More to come, give me time.

And Michael, You are completely right about the light and speed environment for air-to-air photography. Actually, the biggest problem are the light reflexes on Your own cockpit canopy.

RamJet · 12-31-2009, 09:30 AM

Off topic.

The adversary: F-15C of USAFE.

Nice comparison as it is a similar motive as the climbing FULCRUM.

Also Kodachrome KM25, no idea why this scan isn't as grainy in the colour gradient as the MiG's ...

Wish all the NVA collectors a happy new year 2010!

Steve

**Gordon Craig** · 12-31-2009, 10:35 AM

Steve,

Another great picture to close out 2009. I would like to wish you and yours a great 2010 as well as all my fellow collectors on this forum.

Regards,

Gordon

RamJet · 02-01-2010, 06:01 PM

Back to NVA flight stuff.

An East German Mil Mi-24P HIND attack helicopter:

Kozlov · 02-01-2010, 06:10 PM

As I understand it, the DDR only had Mi24-D's but some of these were converted post-unification to the P (or Hind-F) configuration by Western arms manufacturers.

RamJet · 02-02-2010, 02:58 AM

No, there were some P-models delivered. After reunification, orders for new Mi-24s were cancelled and the German Army tried to get rid of the helos fast. They flew until 1991/92, don't remember exactly, have to look into my books.

Kozlov · 02-02-2010, 03:19 AM

Curious it doesn't have the exhaust diffusers that you normally see on the P.

Given that the origins of the P are based on the Afganistan experience (the GSh-23 for stand off capability to outrange the dashkas primarily used by the Muj for air defence and the diffusers fitted to counter IR homing manpads together with an uprated IR jammer), I am surprised.

Having said that, the DDR Mi24-D I had a good paw over last year was missing a lot of the gear you find on the Soviet version of the same aircraft, I guess another example of "monkey versions" exported to their "friends".

They never liked to give their "friends" the best kit, just in case their "friends" needed a bit of political correction from Moscow - you know the type of political correction involving a few divisions of soldiers on a hearts and minds visit to their capital ;-)

**Mike G.** · 02-02-2010, 07:08 AM

Actually .....

and for reason(s) I've never understood - the Soviets in one aspect did give their Warsaw Pact friends (inclusive of the DDR) their best kit, while keeping a piece of steel crap on tracks for themselves:

They outsourced their much better T-72 Tank while keeping the really crappy T-64 at home.

Go figure.