Austrian Order of Franz Joseph, Gold mini chain with Knights Cross

[Roglebk]

Bought as 14k, have not found any information which mark means 14k. Chain is marked with H, anybody know that maker?

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Marks on the chain. H is maker i guess. 'Gemsenkopf' and 8, 5 or 3? for gold contence. Other seems to be quality marks used by the goverment agency. For example A 1 (for Wien), AA, A together with an upside down A and the right one is the Royal "spread Eagle". Very hard to find any information at all regarding Imperial Gold marks.

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Cross is made of 2 halves soldered together and hung from the crown with a hinge. 2 center discs separately attached. Banner and chain inserted in holes in the crossarms. All in all 7 parts.

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Cross marks.

Number ?, Gemsenkopf (or Hundekopf?) and A.

A with 1 under for Kontrollamt Wien.

FR "in diamond" for Friedrich Rothe & Neffe - Wien.

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Mark in ring. A 1, Krontrollamt Wien.

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Chain and Cross.

[gregM]

Another Beauty of a mini

[Don D.]

Here is a bit on Austo-Hungarian marks: http://www.925-1000.com/Faustria_02.html

The "H" city assay mark is for the city of Bregenz. It appears to possilby have been stamped over a .750 silver mark.

[Roglebk]

Originally Posted by Don Doering

Here is a bit on Austo-Hungarian marks: http://www.925-1000.com/Faustria_02.html

The "H" city assay mark is for the city of Bregenz. It appears to possilby have been stamped over a .750 silver mark.

Looks like it Don, a Dianakopf inside a pentagon was overstamped with the H. Used that homepage too, a lot of the information can be applied to gold as well. Missed the meaning of H though. Since they used the H and the A it seems like the chain was made after 1872 and before 1914-1918. Not sure when they changed from Gold to gilt Silver in WWI.

[Roglebk]

Originally Posted by Roglebk

Number ?, Gemsenkopf (or Hundekopf?) and A.

The mark is a Fuchskopf (Foxhead).

[haynau]

The lowest of the three markings on the chains catch is an Import Mark that exists in this type from 1902 to 1922.

The FJO-Mini shows the post 1872 Foxhead A 4 Mark for 14k (580/1000 Gold).

The Prussian Crown-Order 3rd Class-Mini seems to be the 1st Crown-Order with small Crown (1861-1867)

Haynau

[Don D.]

Thanks for the info Haynau. How about the marks on the chain? Is there a good site to reference gold marks?

[haynau]

Originally Posted by Don Doering

Thanks for the info Haynau. How about the marks on the chain? Is there a good site to reference gold marks?

Hi Don,

unfortunately i don't know a AH-goldmarks refernece site, i always have to look it up in books.

The marks on the chain:

1st one (top) looks like a Gemsenkopf (chamois-head).

chamois-head and '3' stand for 18k Gold (750/1000) 1867-1872
chamois-head and '3' and 'A' together in one cartouche stands for 1872-1922

I do know nothing abbout the 'H'

regards

haynau

[Don D.]

Thanks haynau. What is the title of the book?
One thing that still hasn't been answered is the mark under the "H" mark. Sure looks like the remains of a silver mark to me.
vr
d

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Originally Posted by haynau

The lowest of the three markings on the chains catch is an Import Mark that exists in this type from 1902 to 1922.

The FJO-Mini shows the post 1872 Foxhead A 4 Mark for 14k (580/1000 Gold).

The Prussian Crown-Order 3rd Class-Mini seems to be the 1st Crown-Order with small Crown (1861-1867)

Haynau

Thanks! Regarding the import mark i've seen different ones like the "V on top of A" and "AV close together" but never the "spread Eagle".

It looks to be a poor stamped 4 to the right of the 'Fuchskopf'. Makes sense when considering the more redish color of Gold when comparing it to the 18k GVK which is more yellow.

KO is indeed a '1st type' and can be seen here:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=435588

The KO and GVK did not come with the chain, they been added by me for display purposes.