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Fake/fausse Croix de Guerre Giraud on Ebay
Old 04-19-2016, 10:26 AM   #1
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Default Fake/fausse Croix de Guerre Giraud on Ebay

Hi,

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/lot-papiers-c...0/162037422138



perfect example of
- pimped lot (original paper lot with a fake medal added)
- Frankenstein fake ("old" Croix de Guerre + modern front/back repro parts)

We can add
- that the auction is in the "secret bidders" mode, something invented to protect fakers and to increase the bids with fake IDs
- the papers doesn't confirm at all that the guy was awarded the CDG Giraud

I contacted the seller dunkirschen40, telling him basic facts ("Frankenstein fake medal") but i didn't had any reply yet.

Pictures are better than explainations...

The fake Croix de Guerre Giraud of the lot


Closeups front/back of the fake Croix de Guerre Giraud


Now here is the original cross used for this "Frankenstein" : Croix de Guerre 1939-1945, London production


On this cross, the crook added modern front/back of the JMF Collections International model, sold as reproduction since the start of the 2000's.



Now here is the front/back of an original Giraud Croix de Guerre. No one can be fooled !


And finally, the ultimate study on that "Frankenstein"... Case closed.


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Old 04-19-2016, 11:27 AM   #2
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It seems pretty clear - NOT a CdeG expert - that one of these things is definitley not like the other. Does 'local production' have a specific meaning or is it a smoke cloud to avoid saying 'copy'?
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:18 PM   #3
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Hi,

the seller does not clearly imply that the CDG Giraud included in the lot IS from the actual lot. But the fact is that he is implying that the guy was in the Army in 1943 and that he may have received the CDG Giraud.

"Local production" can be a euphemism for "fake" or "unofficial" model you are right. It may be a way to avoid any problem if someone is pointing out that the CDG Giraud included is a fake "Frankenstein" done since the 2000's, as the front/back are taken from the JMF Collections International reproduction model produced since the early 2000's.

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Old 04-19-2016, 02:33 PM   #4
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I see 'local' used a lot in French collectibles to mask a non-official production piece and sprinkle it with the idea of Free French manufacture in a desert or in the forests of Indochina.
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Old 04-20-2016, 01:14 AM   #5
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I don`t collect WW2 CdG but concentrate on diplomas and and medals from WW1. However, thank you for posting this thread it is extremely interesting and informative

No doubt about this forum, you learn something new all the time.

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BTW I have dealt with Metabolith on ebay for a good few years. Very sound seller indeed
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:59 PM   #6
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Hi,

you're welcome ^_^

Someone got badly burned... 351 euros, too much for a fake, not enough for a real one...

The seller never replied to me, so he knows for sure that he sold a fake in a pimped lot.



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Old 04-22-2016, 10:14 AM   #7
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I'm like Coburg: this is not my field but I collect information.

It sounds as if 'local' is what in British collecting is called often 'theatre made', which covers a multitude of sins from real stuff made for british units in Italy, Egypt, India ect to pure fantasy pieces. Because, "Hey, who knows what 'those people' over there' may have made up and flogged to silly soldiers. Not MY fault you were sold a pup!"
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Hi,

my next subject (after the CDGL, the GL, the CDG EF and the CDG Giraud) will be the Croix de l'Ordre de la Libération... To stop the lies that are spread for decades on the subject by "specialists"...

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Old 06-01-2016, 09:02 PM   #9
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Hi,

another seller, chargecreuse, is selling a "pimped" JMF reproduction as a"production artisanale"...

I can't understand how people can be fooled...





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Very usefull thread, great work! Merci

And what do you mean about this one?

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/TRES-RARE-Med...-/351765485945

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